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| Wires71:The Speculator:
I think that when we appoint our next head coach - whenever that might be - our directors first need to acknowledge the sheer scale of the task, and understand the experience and strength of character required to tackle it. It's a job that breaks coaches. Instead of pretending that we are still a big player in Super League, the directors need to be completely open and honest about the inherent problems facing this club, and appoint a coach who can put forward a convincing, detailed strategy for meeting those challenges. Stop being starstruck by big names, stop looking for quick fixes, stop thinking that social media clicks are more important than turnstile clicks. I usually try to remain level-headed and optimistic about Wire, but it is pretty difficult to be that way at the moment. I am genuinely worried about the future of the club, because I sense we are approaching a tipping point where a lot of long-time fans have just about had enough and are drifting away in disillusionment. I'm not talking about the usual "that's it, I've had it with Wire" that comes in the heat of the moment after most bad defeats. I am referring to that sad realisation, when game day comes around, that you'd probably rather do something else with your time than watch Wire and be let down again. That's when it gets serious. I think there was a cautious sense of optimism when Burgess took over, but here we are again, down among the deadbeats and with uncertainty and rumours abounding. As for easyWire's question, I would say that McNamara is a coach of the right calibre and experience, so I wouldn't be upset if he was 'next man up', as Burgess used to say. But whoever it is, we really need to get the appointment right this time. The consequences of botching it again don't bear thinking about.
Good post. The trouble is the board have gone on record to say they now demand more involvement in RL matters following Powell's exit. I reckon this is half the problem, together with some key positions in the club being filled by people who are clearly out of their depth. In hindsight, we should have probably backed Powell to the hilt instead of turning on him. He was up against this dysfunctional board and sulking players. He didn't help himself mind. You definitely right in the first part but it wasn’t about helping himself it was about steadying a sinking ship that if he had the full backing of the board I believe he could have achieved it. The problem is the sulking players you refer to had the ear of the board. They may aswell have sent him out on the Titanic. He was never going to reach the destination. | | |
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| Jake the Peg:Fantastic Mr Cat:Jake the Peg:
You need to follow the lead of leeds and Hull who have both appointed experienced NRL coaches but also new DOR's who actually know what they're doing recruitment wise, and then let them get on with their jobs with no interference - easy at Hull where the owner is the father in law of the DOR (although now CEO but still doing the DOR job).
No surprise both clubs are on an upward trajectory.
Appointing burgess was always going to be a big gamble, which rarely pay off
it didn't take an awful lot to get hull better than last year, and they're not without their issues by any means, and very similar with arthur, whilst Leeds whilst improved are still liable to bloody awful perfomances/results, and they've had the same thing with arthur potentially with one foot out the door, either staying on after he was originally appointed and also with the perth job. The point is both are improving whilst you're getting worse des0ite spending lots of money ey year in, year out. Hull have gone from terrible to ok in a season so I'm confident they will c9ntinue to i,prove in the next year or two. Wire seem to have no real recruitment strategy in place Thar experienced coach showing his worth again today | | | |
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We could do a lot worse than take lessons from Hull FC fans on seeing the bright side. They have only got one more win than us but are happy to give us a sermon on how they've cracked the code.
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Objectively he's probably the best available.
The "he hasn't won trophies" thing is an interesting discussion point. If a coach has a CV of winning trophies it usually means 2 things.
1) He won them at a well run club like Wigan, Saints or Leeds where they have consistently good recruitment, top talent coming through the Academy, and
2) He is a good coach who knows how to handle big name players, develop young talent, run a good system, keep his head in big games
1 alone isn't enough. Lots of coaches have been to Wigan/Saints/Leeds and underwhelmed and got the boot. But what happens if you have 2 without 1? Millward at Cas. Noble at Salford. Monie or McDermott at London. The success doesn't translate.
Tony Smith is a good example of a coach who ticked the second box. Won 2 Super Leagues at Leeds, but got relegated at Hudds, and didn't do much at the two Hull clubs. Took over a Warrington side that was stacked with talent but had been underachieving under Cullen and Lowes and won 3 Challenge Cups. When the big stars retired or moved on it wasn't so good.
McNamara did an impressive job with Catalans. They were a strong side and he went through a lot of seasons, players coming in and out, and they were generally always competitive and well organised and looked like a real team. Does he tick box 2 above? There's a good chance that he does. But I think it's a moot point with us, because right now we don't tick box 1. So he might be Tony Smith at Hull rather than Tony Smith at Leeds or early days at Wire.
This is going to be the issue whoever the next coach is. So for me it's not about us "getting the appointment right". Without significant changes at the club the next coach will fail. Guarantee, 100%. He will be the source of blame on this forum, people will say its his tactics or team selections or man management, but it will all be a red herring distracting us from the real issues.
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| sally cinnamon:
Objectively he's probably the best available.
The "he hasn't won trophies" thing is an interesting discussion point. If a coach has a CV of winning trophies it usually means 2 things.
1) He won them at a well run club like Wigan, Saints or Leeds where they have consistently good recruitment, top talent coming through the Academy, and
2) He is a good coach who knows how to handle big name players, develop young talent, run a good system, keep his head in big games
1 alone isn't enough. Lots of coaches have been to Wigan/Saints/Leeds and underwhelmed and got the boot. But what happens if you have 2 without 1? Millward at Cas. Noble at Salford. Monie or McDermott at London. The success doesn't translate.
Tony Smith is a good example of a coach who ticked the second box. Won 2 Super Leagues at Leeds, but got relegated at Hudds, and didn't do much at the two Hull clubs. Took over a Warrington side that was stacked with talent but had been underachieving under Cullen and Lowes and won 3 Challenge Cups. When the big stars retired or moved on it wasn't so good.
McNamara did an impressive job with Catalans. They were a strong side and he went through a lot of seasons, players coming in and out, and they were generally always competitive and well organised and looked like a real team. Does he tick box 2 above? There's a good chance that he does. But I think it's a moot point with us, because right now we don't tick box 1. So he might be Tony Smith at Hull rather than Tony Smith at Leeds or early days at Wire.
This is going to be the issue whoever the next coach is. So for me it's not about us "getting the appointment right". Without significant changes at the club the next coach will fail. Guarantee, 100%. He will be the source of blame on this forum, people will say its his tactics or team selections or man management, but it will all be a red herring distracting us from the real issues.
Good post. 2026 will be broadly in line with 2025 for us, assuming our 2 new props make up for the deficit in losing Vaughan. Stay injury free and we may make 5th or 6th but we are not challenging again whoever is coach. The chasm to Hull KR / Wigan and even Leigh would take a few seasons to close even if everything was right back stage. So, what changes do you believe are required? | | | |
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